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CakePHP Workshop Review

2010-01-25T00:47:18-04:00

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CakePHP Workshop Review

2008-09-13T11:39:18-04:00

Ha. You’re right. I’ve been bogged down writing a facade for an external set of APIs at work and haven’t had time to get back on Cake.

Once I finish updating the crappy-ass theme for this site, I’m going to start migrating a personal project to Cake so put on your listening ears. I suspect you’ll be hearing from me once I get my feet wet. :-)

Thanks again for the offer. It’s a hell of a lot easier to come up to speed quickly when there’s support out there.

CakePHP Workshop Review

2008-09-13T11:34:33-04:00

Rob: I haven’t heard any questions from you so far : ). Please add me on Skype (TimFor23) and I’ll be happy to talk an hour or two with you about whatever things you need answers to.

CakePHP Workshop Review

2008-09-11T13:31:01-04:00

I was also at the conference, and having had over a year’s worth of experience working in CakePHP, this conference was invaluable. What I would suggest is that you keep learning and experimenting with apps, and when you get the videos, use them as a reference.

I do agree that building an application from scratch would have been very useful.

There were several sections that I found to be most useful. The Cake command line tool is more than awesome. Unit testing was something that I really wanted to learn more about. And Felix’s presentation when he built the custom controller was very useful.

-dw

CakePHP Workshop Review

2008-09-10T16:34:21-04:00

Felix, that may’ve been the biggest mistake you’ve ever made; I’m not shy about asking for help. :-) Nonetheless, I certainly appreciate the offer.

You’re in my blogroll as of a few weeks ago, so I’ll certainly add comments on anything where I think I might have something to add. Thanks for explaining the Raleigh choice. Though obviously unimportant, it was a point of curiosity.

Looking forward to next time.

CakePHP Workshop Review

2008-09-10T15:43:56-04:00

Rob: Thank you very much for this insightful post about the workshop. We would love to deliver a more hands-on experience where people will actually build a complete application themselves next time around. I will do a write up on our blog soon outlining some of the challenges involved in that and ideas on how to overcome them to provide for a great experience. I’d love to see your comments on this once its published.

Meanwhile – I’d love to personally help you with any problems you might run into. Feel free to email me or add me on any of the IM networks listed on debuggable.com/felix.

The reason why the workshop was hosted in Raleigh was that Tim and I were approached by Credit Risk Management to consult them on their CakePHP application. On top of that they offered to provide their facilities as well as catering for free after they found out we were planning on organizing a workshop. Future workshops are likely to take place in the hometowns of the developers as well.

Thanks a lot for attending!

CakePHP Workshop Review

2008-09-10T15:43:42-04:00

Meanwhile – I’d love to personally help you with any problems you might run into. Feel free to email me or add me on any of the IM networks listed on debuggable.com/felix.

Thanks a lot for attending!

CakePHP Workshop Review

2008-09-10T03:44:37-04:00

Thanks, Tim. If I could make one suggestion, it would be to make the session interactive rather than just building an app in front of an audience. Tell attendees that this is the plan and recommend that they come to the workshop with a local development environment and an empty web root created and ready to go; specify that the workshop will begin with installing Cake into that web root.

Remember that you all, as experienced Cake developers and contributors, know Cake inside and out. Watching you all code an application has some benefit, but you all will naturally skip steps and make assumptions simply because you dream in Cake. Judging from this workshop, you also move very quickly through the code base and it’s difficult to follow your path. You’ll likely lose all of the beginners at some point in that exercise. Without interactivity, those beginners will miss out on the dialog that gets created when someone runs into a problem and the learning that results from debugging that problem. They’ll miss the opportunity to help the person sitting next to them debug and they’ll miss the opportunity to consult the experts on hand when they have a problem. Everyone will miss out on the paths of tangential exploration – the ones that weren’t necessarily expected, but are nonetheless relevant, interesting and educational – that result from that dialog.

In the case of the beginner, you’re talking about a set of folks who will receive a limited learning experience from merely watching and listening. For almost everyone I know, it’s far better to learn by actually doing.

Thanks again for the comment and the workshop itself. You all did a great job even though it wasn’t quite what I’d hoped.

CakePHP Workshop Review

2008-09-09T23:24:34-04:00

Nate is totally right. We already discussed several things and decided that it might be a good idea for future workshops to just come up with a spec and build the application in front of the audience from scratch. No pre-building, no code preparation – just live coding with live debugging if things go wrong.

Thanks a lot guys for attending and for this spot on review. I hope we can see you again at future workshops.

CakePHP Workshop Review

2008-09-08T18:02:18-04:00

Hey guys, thanks so much for attending and for your feedback. We definitely learned a lot from the experience, and constructive feedback like this is instrumental in this process.

We’ve already been discussing some of the things we’ve heard and read from everyone who attended, and planning future workshops based around it. If you have any more feedback to add, please don’t hesitate to email or comment.

Thanks again for attending.

CakePHP Workshop Review

2008-09-08T15:19:44-04:00

Glen –

I was in the front left corner as you looked at the screen. At the same table as the guy doing the video recording.

I’m glad it was clear that I really applaud the lengths the guys went to in order to make this happen as well as the quality of the product that resulted. I was afraid that this post would appear more critical than I meant it to be.

CakePHP Workshop Review

2008-09-08T14:08:48-04:00

Rob, I was in attendance as well to this workshop. I am not sure which one you were, but your assessment here is spot on. These guys went way above and beyond what they had to do. Their expertise was clearly evident, and they were super easy to talk to. However, it was billed as a workshop and I expected more hands on training exactly as you did. I am a newb as well to Cake and was hoping for some hand holding along the way with some exercises as I am one who learns by doing. Thanks for your clear and mutually agreed upon assessment.

Glen